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President Trump said that he delayed U.S. military strikes in Nigeria until Christmas Day to deliver a message to groups he alleges are targeting Christians. The Nigerian government praised the attacks and said it provided the U.S. with the necessary intelligence. Nick Schifrin discussed more with former Amb. J. Peter Pham, the special envoy for the Sahel Region during Trump’s first term.
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William Brangham:
Welcome to the “News Hour.”
President Trump said today that he delayed American military strikes in northwest Nigeria until Christmas Day to deliver a message to groups he alleges are targeting Christians in that country. Meanwhile, the Nigerian government praised the attacks and said it provided the U.S. with the necessary intelligence.
Nick Schifrin is here with the details — Nick.
Nick Schifrin:
William, the area that the U.S. bombed in Nigeria is near the border of neighboring Niger and a part of Western Africa that suffered from cross-border terrorism. Northern Nigeria has suffered from violence for years.
And while the president describes this as focus on protecting Christians, the violence in Nigeria and the groups committing it are far more complex.
In the Gulf of Guinea, a Tomahawk missile flies to an area never before struck by the U.S. military, Northwest Nigeria, where locals picked up debris as nearby flames kept burning.
By day, the grass was scorched and police cordoned off an impact site. This missile, at least in this remote rural area, apparently killed no one.
Nuhu Umar Jago, Nigerian Resident:
There was no loss of life and no loss of property.
Nick Schifrin:
A U.S. military official tells “PBS News Hour” a ship off Nigeria’s coast fired more than a dozen Tomahawks at two ISIS training camps. Local security analysts say the missiles hit in at least four locations, all in Nigeria’s northwest Sokoto state.
The area has been plagued by a group known as Lakurawa that claims affiliation with ISIS Sahel and exploits poor local governance and access to terrorist groups that operate in Niger and Mali. Nigeria declared them a terrorist organization, but locals say they’re connected to bandits and criminals, who’ve intimidated local residents, most of whom are Muslim, preaching radicalization, kidnapping hundreds of girls and young boys in an attempt to control and exploit the population.
Yusuf Tuggar, Nigerian Foreign Minister:
This is what we have always been hoping for, to work with the Americans.
Nick Schifrin:
Today, Nigerian Foreign Minister Yusuf Tuggar told Channel TV that Nigeria provided the U.S. intelligence.
Yusuf Tuggar:
It is a joint operation and it is not targeting any religion.
Nick Schifrin:
But, last night, President Trump wrote that the targets were — quote — “ISIS terrorist scum in Northwest Nigeria who have been targeting and viciously killing primarily innocent Christians at levels not seen for many years and even centuries.”
And today, he told Politico the strike was supposed to take place on Christmas Eve, but he said: “Nope, let’s give a Christmas present.”
Nina Shea, Center for Religious Freedom Director, Hudson Institute: The government doesn’t help the Christians. They’re not protecting them. They’re not protecting their villages.
Nick Schifrin:
Nina Shea directs the Hudson Institute’s Center of Religious Freedom. She and 30 other advocates, Christian organizations and think tanks wrote a letter in October to President Trump saying the Nigerian government “demonstrably tolerates relentless aggression uniquely against Christian farming families.”
Nina Shea:
Local Christian leaders are telling us that they are trying to cleanse the land of Christians, that they are establishing the land for Islamic rule.
Nick Schifrin:
In reality, Nigerian violence is more complex. For years, Islamist terrorists have plagued Northern and Northeast Nigeria. The best known is Boko Haram. They have targeted the Nigerian military and violently opposed female education. It’s bombed mosques. Boko Haram also targeted Christians, as I saw in 2015 in the eastern city of Mubi.
Outside the nearby Church of the Brethren, the damage is everywhere. Inside, high above the podium, the fire set by Boko Haram almost erased the cross from the wall.
Elia Usman, Church of the Brethren: When these people landed in Mubi, they will ask you, are you a Christian or a Muslim? When you say you’re a Christian, they will shoot you.
Nick Schifrin:
But that’s the northeast, far from today’s target. And then there’s the map. Most Nigerian Muslims live in the north. Most Christians live in the south, and in the middle, the two groups overlap, as do tribes, farmers and herders, who can clash violently.
For decades, nomadic herders, almost all of whom are Muslim, have fought farmers, most of whom are Christian, over land disputes and scarce resources. The independent conflict monitor ACLED tells “PBS News Hour” last year’s data show a rise in Christian fatalities, mostly in Central Nigeria, but the vast majority of the incidents were over land disputes, not targeting because of religion.
Yusuf Tuggar:
You can see how all these things are interconnected. So when you try to reduce it, you just say, oh, no, it’s Muslims killing Christians in Nigeria, you see how you can get it completely wrong.
Nick Schifrin:
And for more perspective on the U.S. strike against targets in Nigeria, we turn to former Ambassador Peter Pham. He was U.S. special envoy for the Sahel region during the first Trump administration. He’s now a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council and sits on the boards of a number of companies doing business in Africa.
Ambassador, thanks very much. Welcome back to the “News Hour.”
J. Peter Pham, Atlantic Council:
Good to be with you, Nick.
Nick Schifrin:
Explain who is being targeted here in the northwest. This is a group called Lakurawa connected to terrorists in the Sahel in Western Africa, but also criminals known as bandits in Nigeria.
J. Peter Pham:
Well, the group that was referred to in the piece, Nick, Lakurawa, is a good example, almost a classic one of the cure being worse than the disease.
They originally originated as self-defense groups in an area where the Nigerian government and some of the neighboring countries were unable to provide protection for local communities. So they set up their own self-defense groups.
Unfortunately, over the years, these groups, their ambitions grew. And in the case of Lakurawa, in Sokoto state and some of the neighboring states, as well as in Mali and Niger, they have grown to establish dominion over areas of territory where the government is — quite frankly, it doesn’t run and is excluded.
And they have been increasingly imposing upon the people they were — started to protect a harsh vision of Islam and a hard-line vision, and increasingly kidnapping young people to fill up their ranks. So they have become, in effect, the disease they were there to fight.
Nick Schifrin:
And I don’t want to conflate these groups. The analysts I speak to says it’s not Lakurawa, it’s not these bandits in the northwest who are traditionally killing Christians. We see that more in the northeast and the central area of Nigeria.
J. Peter Pham:
That’s very much where the conflicts between farmer-herders, between Muslims or those motivated or agitated by extremist interpretations of Islam and Christians have occurred.
So I’m not privy to — I’m a former government official. I’m not privy to any current intelligence on this. So I can’t speak to why the targeting occurred in Sokoto. Certainly, it’s a mystery to me. There are a couple other places I would have picked to hit extremists in Nigeria.
Nick Schifrin:
So let’s drill into that.
What impact, if any, could this have, this strike in Northwest Nigeria, on violence against Christians?
J. Peter Pham:
As far as I’m aware of, a very limited impact. What does do is send a signal that the U.S. is willing to act in this area.
But what concerns me is the fact that all the reporting I have seen on this has emphasized — including Nigerian Foreign Minister Tuggar’s statements, this was coordinated with the Nigerian government. And I agree with my friend Nina Shea.
Part of the problem here is actually not all parts of the Nigerian government, but certain parts of the Nigerian government are suspect.
Nick Schifrin:
Well, we have also seen inability by the Nigerian government, as you were referencing before, to govern some of these spaces, whether the northwest, the northeast or some of these farmer-herder conflicts in the Central Plains.
I mean, how much of this is about — how much of the root causes is about the government not being able to have governance in these areas?
J. Peter Pham:
Yes it’s a matter of, where does something start and where something end? There’s certainly an incapacity or lack of capacity, but there’s also a lack of political will to put the resources necessary to that.
And in some cases — one has to be brutally honest here. There’s also certain politicians in Nigeria have their own agendas and their own political alliances with extremists. And you sort of get a mixture of all that. It’s a very complex situation that doesn’t give — lend itself to easy solutions.
Nick Schifrin:
Absolutely.
And so in that sense, is there anything the United States can do right now, whether with the military or not, that could actually help protect Nigerian Christians, could get at this lack of governance?
J. Peter Pham:
Well, first, I think calling attention to it is very, very important. Calling it out has forced the Nigerian government to take stock of what it is and is not doing. So that in itself is effective.
Secondly, I would say that important also in this is also to be — is operational security. Again, I’m not privy to current planning, but I certainly, if I were still in there, I’d be very, very hesitant at sharing and coordinating if — what the Nigerians are claiming is was happening with this coordination, I’d be very suspect about that.
Nick Schifrin:
And the Nigerian government, as we heard the foreign minister say, this violence is not about any particular religion, and, in fact, the majority of victims of violence in Nigeria are Muslim.
But we heard President Trump say this is about protecting Christians. So in the time we have left, about 30 seconds, do we know anything about why those two narratives are so different right now?
J. Peter Pham:
I think a lot of it has to do with it’s a matter of perspective. Both Muslims and Christians are suffering because of this violence. And where the political will is in this in Nigeria is the real question.
Is there political will to address the challenges to both communities, and is there a double agenda on the part of certain people?
Nick Schifrin:
Well, but, again, on the political will, it seems like so far, in the past, at least, the Nigerian government has struggled with that political will.
J. Peter Pham:
Very much so, both in will and in resources.
Nick Schifrin:
Ambassador Peter Pham, thank you very much.
J. Peter Pham:
Thank you.
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Nick Schifrin
Nick Schifrin is PBS NewsHour’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Correspondent. He leads NewsHour’s daily foreign coverage, including multiple trips to Ukraine since the full-scale invasion, and has created weeklong series for the NewsHour from nearly a dozen countries.
The PBS NewsHour series “Inside Putin’s Russia” won a 2017 Peabody Award and the National Press Club’s Edwin M. Hood Award for Diplomatic Correspondence. In 2020 Schifrin received the American Academy of Diplomacy’s Arthur Ross Media Award for Distinguished Reporting and Analysis of Foreign Affairs. He was a member of the NewsHour teams awarded a 2021 Peabody for coverage of COVID-19, and a 2023 duPont Columbia Award for coverage of Afghanistan and Ukraine.
Prior to PBS NewsHour, Schifrin was Al Jazeera America’s Middle East correspondent. He led the channel’s coverage of the 2014 war in Gaza; reported on the Syrian war from Syria’s Turkish, Lebanese and Jordanian borders; and covered the annexation of Crimea. He won an Overseas Press Club award for his Gaza coverage and a National Headliners Award for his Ukraine coverage.
From 2008-2012, Schifrin served as the ABC News correspondent in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 2011 he was one of the first journalists to arrive in Abbottabad, Pakistan, after Osama bin Laden’s death and delivered one of the year’s biggest exclusives: the first video from inside bin Laden’s compound. His reporting helped ABC News win an Edward R. Murrow award for its bin Laden coverage.
Schifrin is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a board member of the Overseas Press Club Foundation. He has a Bachelor’s degree from Columbia University and a Master of International Public Policy degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).
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